I have noticed that some spell pages have an ""Appearances" section that lists practical spell descriptions (i.e. TP cost, level learned, spell effect, etc.) but no incantations or translations (i.e. Negative Gate,) while others have an "In-Game Descriptions and Battle Quotes" section that contains incantations and translations, but no in-game information (i.e. Fire Ball). What is the policy for spell pages? What information are we supposed to put there? Should all spell pages have both "Appearances" and "In-Game Descriptions and Battle Quotes"? Pictomancer 00:57, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, at this time we (as in Penamesolen, mostly) are trying to transition the pages to the current format which includes the descriptions/battle quotes/incantations. The actual battle data such as TP and level requirements can be referenced by seeing the chars' own arte lists for each game+version, and reiterating the info on these individual arte pages makes for very long pages that become difficult to navigate effectively. So we are going through each page (slowly), to convert each page to the new format. (You might even notice that there are a third and fourth format for some of the pages, which are remnants of a very old project I started and gave up, for a good many reasons.)
- We (as in myself, mostly) are considering the possibility of keeping the description info further separated, onto a series of lists that will mirror the existing arte lists for each char in each game. This will help to decrease page length further, and it provides us with an overall method to list description text for absolutely everything in each game that has one, like titles/items/equips. But that's too much effort for us to want to bother with, when we have other, more important things to fix on this wiki first.
- Yeah, our wiki is a bit of a wreck this way, but we don't have enough active users to push these changes through in a workable period of time, with the necessary consistency and accuracy. It's not really something we can control, so we do the best we can, in spite of all the bad publicity we get because of how much of a wreck the wiki looks like. And hey, we like to be as lazy as anyone else.
- Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 03:19, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
Are you saying, have pages like this that have the information about what each Tech looks like and does? Because if you are, I would be happy to help with (or even initiate) a project like that. Obviously I understand that there are more important things to do first, but if you'd like, I'd be happy to start putting such things together for all of the Tales games that I've played. Pictomancer 05:39, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not sure exactly what you are offering to do. We already have complete arte lists for every character and practically every game in the series, even including obscure games like Breaker/Commons/Wahrheit. These lists should display only the data that is related to battle and acquisition, like damage percentages or hit counts, or all the fun stuff that is documented only for the Rebirth chars. We're missing some arte lists for VS and Narikiri Dungeon 2, and the skill/title lists for many of the games, but no one wants to work on them.
- Things like how an attack looks like should be described on their individual arte pages, in the "description and history" section of each page. There is no space on the lists to add that kind of thing, and only the specific properties of an arte (heal percentages, buff durations) should be mentioned at all on the lists. Keep any extra info on the individual pages.
- If you were replying to what I said about having the description data listed in a set of pages to mirror the existing arte lists, I was referring to the descriptions in the actual game. If you wanted to do something like that, you may want to see Lanate's sandbox edits for a tentative outline of what this should look like. We may decide to change the format at any time, so I must insist that you work on something else instead.
- Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:24, September 9, 2009 (UTC)