I know this is pretty much nothing except "new game announced + we get a female protagonist". Like stated in the summary I prefer to start with a small article and build upon it. Also, people will likely come here looking for information about that game and I think it's better to give them something instead of nothing.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 13:40, June 6, 2015 (UTC)
- Disagreed wholeheartedly forever. I deleted the Xillia 2 and Zestiria pages multiple times because of this mentality, because a page worth a few sentences is negligibly equivalent to zero information, meaning it might as well be zero anyway. Any means of fleshing out such a page only results in speculation and assumptions, including but not limited to the official spelling of each char's name. It's not as if there aren't existing pages that deserve more content and contributions as is. But maybe people want to do things differently these days, not that anyone ever listened to me when I ranted about this exact thing every time this happened. You were even involved in at least one of those times iirc.
- Yes, it's quite possible I was involved in the earlier discrepancies due to different points of view since I come from a different Wiki where things are done in a way I am used to and think of it as more "approachable". Here users have little to say when it comes to changes, mainly because community-wise it's a small Wiki and we have two (three?) active mods/admins and maybe like three to four regular users editting the Wiki too. I understand you concern for having an article with such minimal information but in some cases I think we should not hesitate in article creation. It's a long process if it is to have some substantial information and it can't be created over the period of a single night. So I think that game articles should be exempt from this (unwritten?) rule and we should create articles for them.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 14:29, June 6, 2015 (UTC)
I'm indifferent. Most of me agrees with Mayu because stub articles almost always remain stub articles. On the other hand, I fear that if someone doesn't take the initiative to do it now, no one ever will—or worse, I'll be forced to do it despite already having my own goals and priorities on here. I'm going to do some research and see what I can do with the article before making the decision to scrap it entirely—which, Mayu, I would not have been offended if you did. You're still an admin on this wiki and are free to act accordingly if you feel it's necessary. I won't go jumping to Kaimi's defense.
- After writing another typical four paragraphs worth of ranting about my past experiences of enduring this kind of "gradual improvement" mentality which shoves the burden of efforts to the eternally unseen "someone else", which leaves articles in a perpetually disgusting state until either I do the improvement myself or they get deleted outright, to the point that I got burned out on contributing anything genuinely useful to this site because it keeps happening nonstop and I could no longer keep up with it all, I realize that I'm just writing things that no one will care about anyway. While I'd like to explain why things are as they are and why I'm so heavy handed about everything, all of my justifications continue to fall upon deaf ears, and a lot of it eventually devolves into recycled rhetoric about how I became not an admin but a wiki janitor who cleans everyone's disgusting filth because no one else would and blahblahblah. This is why I stopped contributing some time ago. I'm just wasting everyone's time with my nonsense rants created by my kneejerk reactions to things that have happened before and will still occur no matter how much I explain everything using historically proven pragmatism instead of treating things with wide-eyed idealism.
- tl;dr ........
On the contrary, edits like yours and Lanate's are what this wiki thrives upon. Notice how all I've done to improve the wiki has been concentrated on just about everything apart from y'all's (...) efforts. I rarely waste my time anymore on explaining to new users why their edits have been reverted. I just do it and move on. The majority of these users don't care enough to contribute the right way. I try to encourage the few who do, but such endeavors only go so far. I'm past freaking out over these sort of things. I give them a "No", sometimes an explanation, and I move on. I'm sorry you feel as if your contributions are a waste solely due to problem and ill-informed users who aren't worth that amount of attention. The problems aren't nearly as bad as they used to be, and I'd wager the wiki has improved quite a bit since then. Lanate still helps, and I'm doing what I can.
Also, it's important to note that the lack of having a page for the game will only encourage others to create it themselves. At least this way deters them from "contributing".
Velvet's official artwork
So this news recently popped up: link And UNGH. She looks like a genderbend version of Vincent Valentine from Final Fantasy VII, complete with an odd left arm. I'm honestly thinking they hired Ivar to design this outfit for Velvet. -_- —Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 13:33, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
- Entirely irrelevant, but it looks like Gothic!Milla to me. Possibly Vampire!Milla...? I can't unsee Milla in that design. Lanate (talk) 23:58, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
- And this is why I'm tired of seeing Inomata/Fujishima designs and would rather see Yuu Shiina (of Sora no Kiseki fame) return to the Tales series as an artist of non-Mobile games. The mainstay artists have been falling into the same sameface syndrome that Kazuma Kaneko (of MegaTen fame) is always so fond of.
First official trailer
"That" vs. "Which"
Okay, I need to clarify this because you (Kaimi), Lanate, and several others seem to not know the difference. "That" is to be used for restrictive clauses, whereas "which" is to be used for nonrestrictive clauses. I find this mistake constantly on the wiki. If you use "which", you are introducing a nonrestrictive clause, meaning you must separate it with commas. Restrictive clauses are necessary in order for the sentence to make sense, whereas nonrestrictive clauses are expendable and merely add additional information that can be removed without changing the meaning of the sentence. Please be mindful because I hate fixing this.
- Okay, I think I got it. I'll watch for it in the future.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 18:07, February 10, 2016 (UTC)
Etymology for terms
For future reference when we deem it it's good idea to create articles for them I'll post some etymologies now:
- Daemon: from Latin daemon meaning "guardian spirit", or Ancient Greek δαίμων (daímōn) meaning "protective spirit". On a side note, Wikipedia redirects "Daemon" to "Demon (disambiguation)" where among the links for "In mythology" section it links to an article for the "guardian spirit" meaning (classical mythology), but also to "Unclean spirit" where the article states that is a term used in the English translations of the Bible and is used in the context of demonic possession, which is possibly the reason for naming that kind of monster in the English localization of Berseria.
- Malak: Semitic word for "angel".
Since all names and information are subject to change, there will be no links on this page, and this will be the only page for this game until it is released. As I have stated before, we are not news resource like AC, and it's bad enough that this page has become a blog for details about the game. Also, I've never linked voice actors, and I don't feel like starting now. In fact, that information will be removed anyway once actual pages are created for those characters (after the game's release!).
On another note, what is the purpose of your Polish wiki, Kaimi? In addition to blatantly copying our formatting on your main page, you are quite literally the only contributor of that wiki. Is the Polish-speaking community invested in the Tales series? If so, why are you the only contributor? Is it possible that perhaps this audience you are attempting to cater to with your wiki speaks/understands English enough to use this wiki? Do you not feel it a colossal waste of your time to invest so much energy in a wiki that you are single-handedly building? Especially when such efforts could be redirected toward this wiki?
I never approved a partnership with your wiki, and I am strongly considering removing your interwiki links as a result, suggesting that Pfotenballenklub Wiki do the same, though that is entirely their decision. I established a partnership with them because they actually have a community and invest in their wiki. Your wiki, on the other hand, is analogous to the previous attempts at alternative Tales wikis or the laughably atrocious Neoseeker wiki, a cesspool of irrelevance in its own right.
I saw several news which claim "Rangetsu" to be Rokurou's last name but I can't find any source of it. This image from Dengeki PlayStation Vol. 613 doesn't list last name for Rokurou, yet it lists for Eleanor (which IMO is a really weird choice for the last name). Could someone link me to any official information regarding Rokurou's last name? Otherwise, I'll be inclined to remove it until the game releases.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 17:09, April 27, 2016 (UTC)
Just so no one accuses me of plagiarizing, the information I am gathering and revising from Talespedia for the creation of the character articles is protected under Wikia's CC-BY-SA license, and I am providing credit in edit summaries/talk pages to clarify this. Talespedia has copied some of our information, which is acceptable, but they failed to give us credit in doing so, which is not acceptable. I am not going to make an issue out of this, however, despite Wikia's view on duplicate wikis. The wiki seems to be more focused on Berseria as opposed to the series as a whole anyway, and contribution is low. The founder would have been better off simply contributing their knowledge on Berseria to our wiki, but this works just as well, so meh.
Happy, Kaimi? Here's your character articles. Feel free to update them as often as you like.
- I think it was a good move to create articles for the playable cast since there's at least a demo available. I think having a demo available should be incentive enough to make articles for the playable cast at least, which you did. Thank you.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 06:41, August 10, 2016 (UTC)
So apparently the world, as in "planet" I think, is called "Desolation" according to the books found within Loegres Villa's library. The game takes place within area known as "Holy Midgand Empire", or also "The Kingdom of Midgand" (yes, the game uses both and I have no idea which way we'll go for the article name, probably the "empire" thing since it was in the announcements). From what I understand Holy Midgand Empire/The Kingdom of Midgand is a collection of continents (although in my opinion they are just large islands) named Midgand where the capital is located, Westgand, Northgand, Eastgand, and presumably Southgand but I haven't come that far in the story), and probably some few more islands. The "book" in the Loegres Villa's library, as well as some information provided during story cutscenes, say there's a distant continent to which Aifread has said and acquired a mysterious relic, but others have no luck finding that continent. Of course, we can't rule out the possibility of multiple continents. So my point is that "Desolation" is the planet on which ToB and ToZ take place, with both these games centered around the area known as "Holy Midgand Empire", which in the next 1000 years became a continent of Glenwood due to land shifts. I think that the "Story" section is a bit off and needs to be rewritten.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 00:04, January 30, 2017 (UTC)
Midgand, Northgand, Southgand, Eastgand, Westgand, Islegand, and Endgand are the seven known territories.
- Midgand (ミッドガンド Middogando?)
- Northgand (ノースガンド Noosugando?)
- Southgand (サウスガンド Sausugando?)
- Eastgand (イーストガンド Iisutogando?)
- Westgand (ウエストガンド Uesutorando?)
- Islegand (アイルガンド Airugando?)
- Endgand (エンドガンド Endogando?)
- "Studies of Resonance" (an old manuscript of unknown origin) - To perceive [blank] one needs a strong resonance than is needed to perceive monsters. This is one reason why there is much less recorded about them than of demons and monsters. Furthermore, perceiving [blank] source of calamity, requires not only resonance but the influence of the Empyreans' domain— (The rest is blotted out and unreadable.)
- "Desolation: A Conspectus" - Since ancient times, our world, an untamed wilderness, has been called by the name Desolation. Midgand Kingdom occupies the known world—a continent and its outlying islands, surrounded by the vast outer seas. A far continent is said to exist on the other side of the outer seas, but those who go in seek of it never return.
- "Population Trends in The Kingdom of Midgand" - The Kingdom of Midgang was formed after the end of the Asgard Warring States Period. After the continent's unification, the kingdom saw a century of peace, under which its population swelled to 1.2 million. But in the ten years since the Opening, the daemonblight has claimed the lives of half of the kingdom's people. Thanks to the foundation of the Abbey, the slide into chaos has been halted, and the population has held steady. The populace is now largely centralized in the cities, but some settlements remain outside royal control.
- "Exorcists and Legend" - Exorcists are people whose latent resonances have been awakened by the Empyrean Innominat's blessing. The Empyrean bestowed malakhim upon the resonant, who tethers them so as to access incredible power. Some evidence suggests a very small number of people have manifested these extraordinary abilities throughout history. They were called saviors, mages, alchemists...and sometimes spirit mediums, frauds, and consorters of evil spirits. It is thought that some among their number possessed similar powers to the exorcists of today.
- "Exorcist Ranks" (from the Abbey's records) - There are currently around 3,000 orderlies and 100 praetors in active duty. The following three have achieved the rank of legate: Legate III: Artorius Collbrande. Legate II: Melchior Mayvin. Legate V: Shigure Rangetsu.
Therion malevolence types
- Velvet -- Hatred, Despair
- Kamoana -- Greed
- Medissa -- Conceit
- Orthrus -- Obsession
- Teresa -- Lust
- Griffin -- Cowardice
- Kwabuto -- Selfishness
Japanese Wikipedia page. Take it as you will.
Speaking of Teresa's "lust", the Japanese Wikipedia page makes it seem like she has an incestuous relationship with Oscar. I know that incest is a common theme in anime and manga, but I'm wondering if there's elements in the Japanese version of the game that were toned down for the localized release.
Bringing this up again since I recently fleshed out her page. It should be noted that the therion prior to Teresa occupying the "slot" for lust was a succubus-type daemon named Dis. A succubus is a female demon believed to have sex with sleeping men, filling the role quite well. Teresa would only be receptive to Innominat's power if she possessed one of these traits, and she wouldn't have been able to assume the therion's position had it not been lust. I think it's safe to say that Teresa's lust was for Oscar. The half-sibling born out of wedlock story is the prime setup for this, and their relationship is far too intimate to be considered normal. I'll leave it out of the mainspace, however, unless I can find a credible (and tasteful) way of describing it.
I think the "Story" section is a bit too short and contains incorrectly interpretted some of the story, like "Artorius attempts to use her for the Advent as well": Velvet was just delaying the inevitable at that moment and he simply sped up the process by throwing her off. I will, or somebody else I'm sure, expand this section, but I'll probably do it after I'll work on character and event pages, then will/we'll go expand associated Zestiria pages.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 10:43, February 7, 2017 (UTC)
It's longer than it was and can easily be expanded. I tried to catch as many inaccuracies as I could, but some may have slipped through.
It's at 10/10, and the reviews are "overwhelmingly positive". I have to say I agree, as this game embodies the greatest aspects of the series. Reviewers are throwing ToB in with the other three "greats": ToS, TotA, and ToV. Can't argue with that, but I still stand by ToX being a pinnacle of the series as well.