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[edit] General thanks

Thanks for your help! The Tales wiki really need someone who organize everything. You have my greatest thanks. --Genjis 11:31, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You city slickers and your internet grammatification

One the main page, you mention a "beta construction phase". I assume by that you must mean "this wiki is in the process of becoming awesome". Cos it is y'know.

Oh, and thanks for making most of that stuff I did look all tidy. Now if there was only a simmilar easy-fix solution for my niece's room...

Meeps. Just now.

[edit] Adoption of this wiki

Hi Imaginationac, as somehow quick reply to your forum post on Central Wikia "Admin inactive since June 2006" I have set you as sysop and bureaucrat on Aselia Wikia :-) So you're able now – beneath using the well known admin features like deleting and blocking - to adapt the wiki's interface in many ways, and also to grant sysop rights to other users. I've already noted the "adoption" of this wiki on its description page on Central Wikia, see Tales Wiki.

Please have a look at the Administrators' how-to guide now. And if you need any help, please leave me a note. Have fun! --rieke 23:41, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MediaWiki namespace

Hi Imaginationac, changes to MediaWiki messages do not have any effects at the moment. This is a bug on a small number of wikis after the last upgrade. We'll fix this as soon as possible. If the fix has been made you can note it easily because the Sidebar should look different then. --rieke 08:46, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the welcome!

Thanks for welcomeing me. I posted a link to this Wiki on my lj because I know a few Tales fans who might want to help this place. I am planning to scan some turnabouts of the Tales of Abyss characters from the Kosuke Fujishima book and I want to know if it's ok if I will be able to use the images for each character's respected article. Okay or not okay? --Jyuni

[edit] About that Aseria thing

I thought Aselia was called Aseria in the US. On the OVA it keeps saying things like "4203 on the Aserian calendar" and it also said that in the game. I don't actually remember the word "Aseria" being mentioned, but that would be pretty logical, wouldn't it?

[edit] Walthruze

It alright if I add a few walkthroughs? I gots me some permissions and I'll change 'em all into that Wiki code thing. -Meeps

[edit] What gives?

The Radiant Mythology page is all wrong, don'tcha know. -Meeps

[edit] Are You Here?

Excuse me, but are you still around?--Zolo 01:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Is there something I can help you with?--Imaginationac (talk) (requests) (email) 04:03, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I wanted to ask if it was ok that I added myself to the Top Editors or something to the Community Portal page since I categorized mostly all the images here and made over 15 new ToS articles(locations and characters) or do I need to do more than that?

Also for the in the news stuff I want to know if we can make a separate page for it here is my plan for it User:Zolo6/Sandbox if you disagree I'll understand but I won't make any hastey acts without your permission. --Zolo 02:41, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I have no objections to you adding yourself to the list of "Top Editors". As for the "news stuff", if you make a separate page, I suggest using a page inclusion tag i.e. {{:PAGETITLE}} on the main page. If you need specific help, try asking other editors or looking for examples first. It's not that I don't want to, I'm just going to be incredibly busy for the next two weeks or so.--Imaginationac (talk) (requests) (email) 03:49, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disabling unregistered user edits

I think this wiki has come to the point where vandals and random unhelpful visitors edit certain pages freely, without citing sources while changing things such as certain characters' gender and voice actor. It has become a nuisance for me to observe the "Recent Changes" page daily, and to revert all of these bad edits as they appear. And if I happen to miss such edits, there will be complaints by some members of the official Namco Tales forums, who seem to monitor this wiki but don't want to do anything to help it. And most unfortunately, much of the time the anonymous IPs are not the same, possibly due to dynamic IP changes, so it would be bad form to ban IP ranges and potentially block helpful future members.

The best option is to set the wiki to allow only registered users to provide contributions. Any users who continue to engage in vandalism or spam can be documented and warned much more effectively, and it prevents people who don't take the effort to create an account from making changes at all. All of the other wiki communities that I participate on have taken this measure, and it seems to work well for them. And besides, we do not have enough of a frequent user base here to merit anonymous editing - I seem to be the only one who actually keeps a close watch on what goes on here. We have not reached a point where people who visit the wiki would find something they know and then add it, aiding in the overall collection of data, unlike the much larger wiki sites for other materials. The Tales series has only a niche fandom, after all.

I apologize for the inconvenience, and I hope you will consider this change in user edit permissions.

Mayu Miyuki 02:11, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm very hesitant to restrict editing to registered users only. We do get helpful edits from time to time, and some users can't be bothered to register. Still, if you (and at least one other person) feels adamant about this, I'll let the Wikia admins know.--Imaginationac (talk) (requests) (email) 03:52, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] MediaWiki:Common.js - use of Wikipedia JavaScript code to enable Collapsible Tables

I've been meaning to ask about this for a long time now. Our wiki lacks many of the basic functions that other wiki communities have, since we lack many of the basic templates and such. We can't just copy templates from other wiki groups because their scripts usually inherit from other templates, which may inherit from other templates as well. At the root of this is the MediaWiki code, which can be altered locally through the "Common.js" file (in the MediaWiki namespace).

On Aselia, our Common.js file is blank. We have absolutely nothing here, which can explain why so many templates can be incompatible with our wiki. I want to be able to import the code that is already available on Wikipedia's version of this file, but I do not have the user rights to do edit this page.

The main thing that I want from Wikipedia's code is the script for creating collapsible tables - the text from lines 141-234 if you were to copy/paste this code onto a script editor (like Notepad++). Or for ctrl-F search purposes, it's the lines from "/** Collapsible tables" to "addOnloadHook( createCollapseButtons );". I believe this will enable me to change the formatting for one of the pages on this wiki that I am working on currently, and it could be used to fix a couple of other pages to make them look less cluttered.

This is the only part of the code I really want to add, but it might be a nice bonus if everything on Wikipedia's "Common.js" file is copied here. All of the other code is not really necessary, but it could help our wiki to have more to work with, to allow any possible future templates to be used without errors. I would love to be able to use the navigation box code here, to provide dynamic navigation links between arte/skill/title lists for any given game. I don't know what's what in the rest of the code though, so I don't really mind if the rest of the code isn't brought over here. (Besides, I left behind my computer programming days a long time ago, so a lot of this might be going over my head nowadays. I would prefer to have someone else with much more MediaWiki knowledge and experience to work on all of this instead of me...)

If you can copy at least the collapsible table script onto our wiki's "Common.js" file, I will appreciate this greatly. Thank you for your time and assistance.

Mayu Miyuki 20:07, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I've copied the entire script. I haven't test it out, so let me know if any problems arise.--Imaginationac (talk) (requests) (email) 20:43, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, the collapsing table function still does not work. According to mediawiki.org, this code needs to be added to our Common.css file too. Not overwriting what already exists, but added to it. Incidentally, all of the code on this page comes from Wikipedia anyway so we can leave "Common.js" alone. (I'd rather not get Wikipedia's full *.css anyway since it would end up changing our existing table/font/etc settings.) After this, everything else should be able to be modified through templates and then typical MediaWiki scripts, if I understand the process correctly.
Mayu Miyuki 21:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I modified our local Common.css file as you indicated.--Imaginationac (talk) (requests) (email) 21:35, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Anonymous user 71.67.178.109

Just passing by to request an IP block of this user, a vandal who continues to edit the Lloyd Irving page, seemingly out of spite for the current voice actor for his character. Nothing else to say, I think this user has been warned enough.

Mayu Miyuki 19:11, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

The IP address has been blocked for 3 days.--Imaginationac (talk) (requests) (email) 03:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, obviously this 3-day block didn't stop this anonymous user from continuing his vandalism, or having others do it in his place during that period of absence. I suggest we block off Lloyd's page from any unregistered edits, and not just for a few days either, though I don't really believe this would solve much of anything anyway. I don't see any other, more useful alternatives beyond what we are already doing by reverting the offending edits as soon as we see them.

Mayu Miyuki 22:20, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm all in for it, I'm tired of editing those stupid edits, it's been like 6 today?--GenoWhirl24 23:08, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Lloyd Irving has been protected from anonymous editing until further notice.--Imaginationac (talk) (requests) (email) 19:10, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Frio and Kyaro

I am making both of their pages and was wondering if i should just make them into one because they both have so little info

message me back when you get then chance 

                                       --Keaton 21:01, 27 June 2009 (UTC)Keaton
I have a personal preference for separate pages per character, but I don't have an objection to combining their pages if the two are closely intertwined. An idea: you can make a single page for them, and then create separate redirects for each of them to the combined page.--Imaginationac (talk) (requests) (email) 21:16, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Eh, this could have gone on one of their talk pages. Anyway, no the two characters must remain separate. They are distinctly different chars, and they have different roles in both NariDan 2 and 3, more than enough to fill at least two sections worth of info for each char's page. We don't have any info posted, simply because no one is taking the effort to add the info. And really now, it's the same way with most of our... let's pick the Tales of Hearts characters. All six of them have minimal info on their pages, but they all have distinct and separate roles in the game. It only hurts the quality of the articles if you shove them all together, since you can't detail each of them individually as you can on separate articles.
If you know more about Frio and Kyaro, please help out by adding the info. There is a LOT more to say about each of them than just a set of boring and generic sentences, and I'm disappointed that people think short sentences are helpful in any form. You can change classes by changing costumes? Woo hoo. Did you know that there are 200 separate costumes in NariDan 2? Costume changing is far more dynamic than just changing classes, and that's a mechanic that has enough content to be discussed on a third page of its own, separate from the character articles themselves. I'd help out, but my focus are on other aspects of this wiki and I'm not going to spread more attention to other things, so I can make the pages I am working on as detailed and complete as possible.
In before I say I'm too lazy to actually do the work again.
Yumemi Hoshino (talk) 21:18, 27 June 2009 (UTC)



Thanks for the info to a new user ;) --Keaton 21:23, 27 June 2009 (UTC)keaton



I've dones some editing to both Frio Sven and Kyaro Olange

--Keaton 23:35, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Tales of Symphonia Walkthrough

But the site have an "guide" option ^^

And it should be removed. This wiki is not the place for walkthroughs, as I've said countless times by now. All wiki-related sites should be places where only "factual" information about the games' stories and characters should be posted. Walkthroughs and things like that belong on GameFAQs or thereabouts, since these things are considered to be "original content".
All original content should be published on a site that protects their copyright concerns, and NOT on a place such as this where things can be edited freely by anyone and everyone. Because of this, I've decided to delete all walkthrough-related materials on this wiki. Now that this has been posted on Imaginationac's talk page, I should just point to my thoughts on this issue here, posted several months ago, instead of continuing to reiterate everything I keep trying to say. If there are any concerns about this, please do tell me with complete specifics. In the meantime, however, I will be keeping everything deleted, to prevent any future walkthroughs from being posted.
Yumemi Hoshino (talk) 20:24, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm not keen to agree with you there Yumemi. While the original purpose as far as I could discern when I originally adopted this wiki was to an encyclopedia of all things Tales, the inclusion of strategy guides/walkthroughs was not, well, on the forefront of thought. When I was initially approached to include them, I simply asked that they were made available under proper license (which was GDFL at the time). In my opinion, the inclusion of such material does not detract from the wiki's purpose, and potential attracts contributors. That said, if the community feels that walkthroughs should be omitted from Aselia, so be it. Unilateral changes by one user, however is consider against the Wikia spirit. I do agree that a Walkthrough or Guide namespace should be allotted for such articles, as well as any text that is unable to be resolved under the current license should be marked for deletion.--Imaginationac (talk) (requests) (email) 21:25, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I try to avoid doing things unilaterally, myself. But whenever I pose questions or such to the greater community, I usually see just one other person reply at all, despite my pleas for more opinions. It seems like I've taken on a sort of role of leadership here, even despite not wanting such a role, because I visit this wiki several times daily, as I have for well over a year. (Even when I post any actual significant amount of work maybe once a month.) This doesn't make my decisions any more "right", but I do have a sort of vision for this wiki's infrastructure and organization, whether I know how to apply it or not, and this is something left mostly ignored by everyone else because they don't care. I guarantee that the same thing will happen with this very discussion.
In this case, I raised this issue a few times in the past, on different talk pages. As you see on that page I linked to earlier, I failed to receive any community input whatsoever. I'm sure I have mentioned the same things on another talk page, but I can't possibly remember where that would have been. I might have received one supportive comment, but don't take that for truth because I honestly don't remember. Whatever the case, I think I have provided enough preemptive discussion with hope for debate, and failing that, I acted on my own initiatives, as is the case with most of the things I do here. I don't want to have to ask you, the only admin on this site, for permission or help with every little thing.
With that said, I have set up this wiki with an emphasis and focus on the actual game contents. I created a good majority of the arte lists on this wiki on my own, and several of these pages represent the only English resources that exist for them anywhere on the Internet as a whole, without exaggeration. I want to expand this to all content lists, for titles, items, monsters, and anything else that can be imagined. I also try to direct everyone's focus on the character/location/game articles, since there are several that are stubs that no one has bothered to flesh out. Other things are more minor, and should be ignored until the wiki infrastructure is more stabilized with the expanded content. And with three or four people total who actually do make these kinds of contributions "regularly", how long can this take?
Once we get to such a point, I would be more open to creating very minimal "guides", outlines that detail each individual area, showing where and how to obtain every possible cutscene event, all possible enemy mob combinations in each location (this is an important feature due to the Grade and victory theme systems in Rebirth), the conditions required for unlocking kaodora (skit face) interactions at the earliest possible times, and so on. But again, this is not a priority, and I'd rather have people focus on expanding the existing or missing content pages, or they will remain without content for another several years. Anyone can find full length walkthroughs elsewhere, so why should anyone bother to search for that info on a wiki. This isn't the place for it, so let's focus on the things that this wiki is the place for, and make them better perhaps.
I'm omitting several other thoughts to make this post less of a wall than it already is. Cheers.
Yumemi Hoshino (talk) 00:53, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Your Welcome, I realized that at the end of some of the character pages, in other appearances the Tales of VS section is not up-to-date. SacredPenance 09:48, 18 July 2009 (UTC)SacredPenance

[edit] Vesperia characters' artes need editing

-Rita's Freeze Lancer, Thunder Blade and Gold Cat artes have the wrong elemental attributes.

-Her Meteor Storm spell has more than one way of being obtained.

-Aqua Laser deals a max of 3 hits, not 2.

-Raven's Inverno and Tempest have the wrong elemental attributes.

-Estelle's Force Field event is missing 2 other parts.

There is so much more, but it's way too many to list.

Hey, Sekirei Lord, please sign entries on talk pages in future. Also, is there a reason you're making a note of this on my talk page instead of making the changes yourself?--Imaginationac (talk) (requests) (email) 03:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I apologize for that. I will remember that next time. Also, I had already made those changes, but I think someone reverted them. --Sekirei Lord 05:40, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

All of the Vesperia arte pages are in the process of revision to follow new scripting formats and organization setups that I'm trying to make across all of the list-type pages. I assure you that I have most of the things done and saved on my computer, but I published only Yuri/Estelle/Repede's pages for now because I had to rush to get the PS3 demo things uploaded (passives and titles still not done, whooo~). Add to that various excuses I could say about real life, and generic laziness.
And as for elemental attributes, I should emphasize that Vesperia does NOT have the "lightning" or "ice" elements, whatsoever. Both representations are technically considered to be hybrids of the elements that I listed originally, so they are correct. Remember that each Tales game always goes by a completely different elemental system, and "lightning" has been grouped as part of Wind, or Light, or Fire+Wind, or its own grouping. Legendia's "lightning" is not even the lightning you're used to.
Yumemi Hoshino (talk) 12:17, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I totally understand everything, and am sorry about all of this. I was just a little confused as to why primary elemental attacks are split into two different ones.

I read in Rita's arte description for Freeze Lancer saying: "Send spears of ice at the target". And Thunder Blade: "Thrust a sword of lightning". Or something like that.

So I assumed the elements were the same as Genis' from Symphonia, since they're the exact same moves.

I understand everything you're saying though. --Sekirei Lord 23:54, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cant correctly edit Tear Grant's page.

Whenever i try to edit "other appearances" in Tear Grants page, the formatting is different, i havent been on this wikia for long, and i dont know how to access the other features. For example, on Cless' page when i try to edit it, the yellow buttons for text appearance, (H2 H3 Bold, Italicized, underlined, strike, remove heading, preformatted, etc. etc.) appear, but on Tear's page, none of those show up, how can i bring them up? --SacredPenance 16:54, 23 July 2009 (UTC)SacredPenance

I'm not sure what you're missing. In the mean time, if you need help on markup, check out the help pages.--Imaginationac (talk) (requests) (email) 17:13, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Did I do right on Senel's page?

Did I make some mistakes?

[edit] Help Me My little brother accidentally destroys Moses page

I'm sorry on what my brother did, can somebody help me restore it to it's former glory!

It's no problem, and any edit is easily reversible. Just go o the history page, find the revision you want and undo or revert. Please sign your talk page posts in the future. It makes following discussions much easier. (As I forget to do myself :p)--Imaginationac (talk) (requests) (email) 01:56, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
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